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Author Topic: How many of the commandments of the Old Testament are obsolete?  (Read 2317 times)

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I don't just mean the 12 commandments, I mean things like "An eye for an eye" - how many were rescinded by the New Testament?  What did it have to say about things like adultery, stealing, and the seven deadly sins?

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Re: How many of the commandments of the Old Testament are obsolete?
« Reply #1 on: 02 April, 2009, 09:57:44 PM »
This site has some interesting views:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

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Re: How many of the commandments of the Old Testament are obsolete?
« Reply #2 on: 02 April, 2009, 11:47:41 PM »
About the seven deadly sins (or Seven Deadly Sins) is seven enough?

I mean, you have lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and pride.

Peanuts!

Lust, yes, I must adsmit I am partial to. Gluttony, well, that's what Friday nights and weekends with friends are for. No?

Greed - ah that has never been a big deal with me.

Sloth? I was still in my dressing gown at 2pm today so I guess I qualify.

Wrath? I would never feel wrathful - never even carry a grudge for more than three nano-seconds.

Envy - too busy being happy to be envious.

Pride?

Yeah well it does creep in but I like to call it self awareness - careful self awareness not the put-down kind.

Most of the old christian ways of being are still very appropriate today - just a shame that more people don't give them the value they deserve.



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Re: How many of the commandments of the Old Testament are obsolete?
« Reply #3 on: 03 April, 2009, 02:14:17 AM »
The 12 Commandments?  What Bible have you been reading?  As far as I know, there are only Ten Commandments.

Recognize, however, that the ones we now know are not the first Commandments that Moses brought to the people of Israel.  He brought down a set of tablets from Mount Sinai, and destroyed them when he caught the recently-freed slaves in acts of wantonness, lust, and depravity.  He smashed the tablets, then called for the people to either repent and align themselves as his followers.  About one-third of the group did so.

Moses then called for his loyal soldiers -- the only ones who were armed -- to kill the other two-thirds of the Jewish refugees.  Which they did.  So when the dust settled and the bleeding stopped, Moses got some new Commandments, and headed off into the desert with a retinue only a third the size of the group he brought out of Egypt.

Those Ten Commandments were useful at the time, and I think they all continue to be useful.  Note that Eight of the ten are prohibitions.  Only two are constructive (Honor your parents, Keep the Sabbath holy).
Certainly nothing obsolete about those two, although people can quibble about what is means to "honor", and about just how to keep the Sabbath holy.

Most of the prohibitions are self-evident in their timeliness and importance -- don't murder, don't steal, don't covet, don't lie, don't make a false oath.  These all relate to one or another aspect of trust between people, the trust that is necessary to have a stable society.  The two remaining, which are don't make idols or have another god, and don't commit adultery, can possibly be questioned.

People have all kinds of idols or objects that they worship or hold in such esteem that it can be considered reverence.  Classically, money and property and power; and for many people, these are the constructs to which they devote their lives -- their time, energy, attention, and effort.  Certainly, one has a more comfortable life (in many ways) by making these the focus of their existence.  And the rest of us may admire those who achieve high levels of money, property, and power.  Whether that makes them better people is arguable.

The prohibition against adultery is also one which many people consider obsolete, and which is therefore ignored and violated quite often in modern society.  One no longer gets stoned to death for adultery, but it may lead to a painful and very costly divorce.  Most people who feel the prohibition against adultery is obsolet have divergent and conflicting views about the topic, however.  They feel adultery is horribly offensive and wrong, when it is commited against them, i.e., their partner/husband/wife committing adultery; yet they easily rationalize and justify adultery which they commit.

On the whole, I think these last two prohibitions are also still relevant and useful.  Certainly, obeying them makes for a much less complicated life, and avoids a great many problems which befall the money-grubbing and the licentious.

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Re: How many of the commandments of the Old Testament are obsolete?
« Reply #4 on: 03 April, 2009, 10:08:30 AM »
Some folks think there are 12 (or at least 10+2) commandments:
http://jahtruth.net/comand.htm

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Re: How many of the commandments of the Old Testament are obsolete?
« Reply #5 on: 03 April, 2009, 10:42:29 AM »
The 12 Commandments?  What Bible have you been reading?  As far as I know, there are only Ten Commandments.

I think I was reading a first edition of the Old Testament - they included the commandments from the original tablets, which included "Thou shalt not go on reality television" and "Thou shalt honour the webmaster".

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Re: How many of the commandments of the Old Testament are obsolete?
« Reply #6 on: 03 April, 2009, 03:20:14 PM »
Apparently the individual ones are all obsolete, and replaced by two laws in the New Testament:

Matthew 22:34-46
When the Pharisees heard that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together, and one of them, a lawyer, asked him a question to test him. "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He said to him, "`You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. And a second is like it: `You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."