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Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« on: 26 March, 2009, 10:27:10 AM »
in the UK?

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Re: Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« Reply #1 on: 26 March, 2009, 10:41:32 AM »
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In Britain that'd be in 1885 when Jeanette Pickersgill was first person to be officially cremated...as this BBC site confidently says...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7963119.stm

but it doesn't say where she met her flaming end although it has a lot of history of cremation details...well worth a visit for the more ghoulish members of IA.
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Re: Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« Reply #2 on: 26 March, 2009, 11:45:50 AM »
I guess it depends on what you call "official".

What about the witch trials where the poor victim was cremated while still alive?


"The first recorded judicial burning of a witch took place in Toulouse in 1275"
according to http://skepticwiki.org/index.php/Witch_Trials




According to http://www.personal.utulsa.edu/~marc-carlson/witchtrial/eis.html

"1279 England, York 1 ??? f John de Kerneslawe killed a witch that had entered his house. 
The local clergy had her body burned. (Source: Kittridge, Witchcraft in Old and New England, 47) "

Back then, the clergy would have been probably the only properly organised form of officialdom to be regularly seen.

« Last Edit: 26 March, 2009, 11:49:32 AM by Wumpus »

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Re: Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« Reply #3 on: 26 March, 2009, 11:51:06 AM »
well - I did mean it as a means of disposing of a human body as a burial ritual, but I guess a little stretch would put punishment burnings as "cremations"  :-\

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Re: Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« Reply #4 on: 26 March, 2009, 11:52:41 AM »
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Wiki fills in some extra personal details about Jeanette Pickersgill on...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanette_Pickersgill

It says this (but also has other links you might find interesting, particularly about Woking Crematorium (aka The Woking Grill) in the footnote References..

"In 1885 Jeanette Pickersgill became the first person to be officially cremated in the UK when she was cremated at Woking, Surrey in the United Kingdom.[1] She was a well-known figure in literary and scientific circles.[2] She died on March 20th and was cremated six days later.

The cremation took 1 hour and 15 minutes and the notes in the cremation register record that the remains were taken to Golders Green Crematorium East Columbarium. The great concern at the time was that the person may not be actually dead. The thought of being burned alive was too shocking for the Victorians to contemplate. So for the first time it took two doctors to certify death.[citation needed]

By year's end, only 3 cremations took place out of 597,357 deaths in the UK. By 1901, with 6 crematoria established, only 427 cremations took place out of 551,585 deaths - less than one-tenth of one percent. However, by the end of the century (2000), over 240 crematoria were in use. Over 70% of the deceased were cremated (437,609 out of 611,960 deaths).[citation needed]"


In the footnote link it adds interesting extra bio details of the late lamented Ms Pickersgill etc ...

Woking's Crematorium, the first in the country, was founded in 1878, when a piece of land close to St John's Village was bought by Sir Henry Thompson, surgeon to Queen Victoria and founder of The Cremation Society. The acre of land was purchased with the aid of subscriptions at 200 each, from the London Necropolis Company, who established the nearby Brookwood Cemetery.

On 26th March 1885, the first cremation in England took place at Woking. The deceased was a Mrs Jeannette C. Pickersgill, a well-known figure in literary and scientific circles. By year's end, only 3 cremations took place out of 597,357 deaths in the UK. By 1901, with 6 crematoria established, only 427 cremations took place out of 551,585 deaths - less than one-tenth percent. However, by the end of the century (2000), over 240 crematoria were in use. Over 70% of the deceased were cremated (437,609 out of  611,960 deaths)

By 1911, the original one acre site was extended to 10 acres and now the country's first Book of Remembrance, dating back to 1940, is held there. Famous people cremated here have included Thomas Hardy, Dr Barnardo and the Marquis of Queensbury.

Directions: The Crematorium is just outside St Johns village, on Hermitage Road. Limited parking is available on site and buses to the village are frequent.


 

 

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Re: Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« Reply #5 on: 26 March, 2009, 12:19:59 PM »
What about the thousands of pyres regularly used by the ancient celtic peoples?  I'm sure in their eyes the burnings were official, but as they weren't known for their written history it's probably impossible to single out the first one.

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Re: Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« Reply #6 on: 26 March, 2009, 12:39:51 PM »
An interesting (?) site is out there which even charts the expansion of crematoria in Britain from 1885 to 2007 (oh bliss!).

Plus it even cross references the change in the ratio of cremations against deaths (just a paltry 3 cremations out of 597,357 deaths in 1885) to today (605,835 deaths but a wopping 428,383 cremations which the site kindly informs us is 70.71% opting for being cremated).
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Times change and Ms Peckersgill was right out there in front of the trend.

Site is from the Cremation Society...

http://www.srgw.demon.co.uk/CremSoc4/Stats/National/ProgressT.html



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Re: Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« Reply #7 on: 26 March, 2009, 01:01:39 PM »
re: Celtic pyres - those responsible are currently being investigated by the police and as soon as they are identified, they will be nicked and put before the beak

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Re: Who was the first person to be officially cremated?
« Reply #8 on: 27 March, 2009, 01:16:14 AM »
Under Scottish law Siasl I bet a dollar to a sporran they'll be found unproven  ;D Donja just love that cheesey smiley?
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