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Title: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: jacquesdor on 27 August, 2010, 09:38:25 AM
Having lived out  of England for some time, I am out of touch with a lot of things. A recent visitor bought me some supplies, including Germoline.
It isn't pink !
The smell is gone!
I am sure it used to be spelled  Germaline, the 'A' is now 'O'.
How long ago were these changes made, and can I be assured it is still the magic stuff essential for all first aid boxes?
Sometimes it is hard to be an ex pat.

Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: siasl on 27 August, 2010, 09:49:23 AM
I think it's always been germolene:
"Dermatological/topical products:
Bepanthen®, Bepanthol®, Canesten®, RID®, Germolene®, Germoloids® and Bactin®" (From the Bayer website)

"Sir William Veno
Inventor of Veno's Cough Syrup & Germolene

    Sir William Henry Veno was born William Reynard Varney in 1866 in Castle Douglas. In August 1894, aged just 28 years, he moved to Canada and registered his company Veno's. Whilst there he invented Veno's Lightening Cough Cure and Germolene among many others, and these famous brands are still known and used to this day.
    He met Mary Pearson whilst abroad and they married and moved back to live in England, where William set up his company, Veno Drug Company Limited, in Manchester on Chester Road. (Though this building was in existence in June 1922 when permission was given for an extension, it seems to no longer exist).
    William was knighted 15th June 1920 and became the Mayor of Altrincham.
    Following a scare regarding a growth on his lip which was believed to be cancerous, he offered tens of thousands of pounds for anyone who could find a cure for cancer.
    The Veno Drug Company was bought in 1925 by Beechams. Sadly, in 1933, Sir William was found shot dead in the grounds of his house. A verdict of suicide was given. "
http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/celebs/commerce/commerce6.html
 I imagine the reformulation into a cream was summat to do with the 1999 purchase of the brand from Smithkline Beecham by Bayer - but I could be wrong. It should still be the same stuff, though (suitably risk-assessed by our H&S obsessed culture)
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Wumpus on 27 August, 2010, 12:05:01 PM
I seem to remember the contents of the last tube I bought was white, and didn't smell as strong as the traditional stuff.
But it wasn't just the standard stuff - it had a local anaesthetic in it as well.

Could be you've picked up the new, improved version?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: AtMyWitzEnd on 28 August, 2010, 06:29:12 AM
Its has always been Germolene ... but there are now two seperate products. The traditional Germolene Cream and the new Germolene Ointment. One is the pink stuff that smells of hospitals or dentist's mouthwash and the other is (in my opinion) a rip off of Savlon. They are both available and are a similar price.
27g Germolene Ointment £1.44
30g Germolene Cream £1.89
Whichever one you have, ask for a Red Cross parcel to be dropped with the other one.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Wumpus on 28 August, 2010, 09:33:58 AM
Funny, the tube I got came in the pink box, but has local anaesthetic.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 28 August, 2010, 08:07:06 PM
Whilst walking in Wales a couple of weeks ago I met a walker travelling in the opposite direction and he held in his hand  a plant. Curious I got into conversation with him and discovered that he was a bio-chemist, and when I mentioned the plant he held in his hand he informed me that it was "meadowsweet". He became quite excited and explained that the root of the plant contained the antiseptic basis of 'Germolene'(phenol) and in fact smells a bit like the old pink stuff my mother used to buy. He scraped of the outer surface of the root and took a nibble and offered me a nibble too- it tasted like germolene smells and apparently is good for headaches as it contains the natural version of Aspirin.
I thought you might like to know that. :D
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: jacquesdor on 28 August, 2010, 10:30:21 PM
Very much I like to know that. Meadow sweet has long been one of my favourite flowers.. the actual flower smells wonderful and not a bit like Germoline. Very interesting information, many thanks.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: AtMyWitzEnd on 28 August, 2010, 10:36:13 PM
Funny, the tube I got came in the pink box, but has local anaesthetic.
Actually, both versions have the local anaesthetic now ... the picture of the pink one wasn't clear though!
 
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 29 August, 2010, 06:22:21 PM
Funny, the tube I got came in the pink box, but has local anaesthetic.
Actually, both versions have the local anaesthetic now ... the picture of the pink one wasn't clear though!
 
#
The germolene my mother used to smear on every cut and abrasion I suffered actually came in a small tin about 5 cm in diameter and 1 cm deep. when the tin was opened the large surface area of the stuff that was exposed to the air meant that the distinctive smell it possessed quickly permeated the whole room. Just another trivial germolene fact.
Apparently you can still get in a tin in South Africa.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Wumpus on 29 August, 2010, 08:48:22 PM
My dad used to get a product called Fiery Jack in a similar tin.

Believe me, you didn't muddle the tins up twice.    :o
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: ange on 05 August, 2012, 09:02:34 AM
There are two sorts, you want the antiseptic OINTMENT its pink and smells like the one in the tin from years ago. The boxes are very similar though. Boots sell it. x
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: NETTKNUT on 24 October, 2013, 02:50:51 PM
The original Germolene used zinc oxide as the active ingredient. The new fangled stuff does not!
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Martha Flaming on 03 November, 2013, 03:26:57 PM
I moved to canada 10 years ago !from South Africa , I grew up so to speak on germolene , and yes you can still get the pink germolene there but as far as I know not in a tin ,just in a tube . My husband believe in germolene and puts it on everything , so I am looking at the best way to order it , eny ideas?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Duffield1 on 03 November, 2013, 07:47:43 PM
Here you go - a company that ships it around the world! 
http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Germolene.html
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Lyndon on 18 February, 2014, 12:04:08 AM
I emigrated to the Netherlands in 1968 and so did my tin of Germolene!
All through the years my family used it, and friends borrowed it. So as an expert of what Germolene can do, forget the white stuff and KEEP the pink, it is far superior. It is truly a miracle worker.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 18 February, 2014, 09:34:58 AM
I couldn't help notice that with Lyndon's (hi Lyndon) answer today to What have they done to Germolene? means that Jacque's question has now been read a staggering 4,689 times.

4,689 times?

I didn't know that Germolene had such a massive following but it obviously has!

Is being read 4,689 times the record for a question on IA?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: seacommander on 18 February, 2014, 10:34:06 AM
I am afraid to say that JD’s Germolene topic is relatively unread compared with the speeding ticket topic started by Duff which has been read nearly 29000 times. If you go to the home page and scroll down to Forum Stats and click on [More Stats] you will be taken to this page
http://www.intelligentanswers.co.uk/index.php?action=stats
which lists, amongst other interesting snippets, the top 10 topics by views.
BTW P-K you are by a country mile the most prolific topic starter.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 19 February, 2014, 02:31:43 PM
29,000? That's the population of a small Baltic country!

About speeding tickets?

Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Dawn Douglas on 14 May, 2014, 01:29:13 PM
Germolene Ointment - the old pink stuff - is not not available in shops like Boots, but Amazon are selling it - for £16.99 a tube!!!!!!!!! No, that's NOT a mistake and other sites are selling it for that too.  I am allergic to Savlon so really need to find some Germolene, as it works wonders - I have had two DVTs and am on anticoagulant, so often get small nicks and cuts, and with Germolene they heal with absolutely no problem - it even heals red and irritated cat scratches without any problem!  If anyone knows where I can get this product, can you PLEASE let me know? 
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 14 May, 2014, 05:29:56 PM
look at the above posts:

Heres somewhere to get your fix.
http://www.britsuperstore.com/acatalog/Germolene.html

Personally I swear by Savlon - it is almost possible to see  cuts and abrasions heal with an application of this little pharmaceutical wonder.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Duffield1 on 15 May, 2014, 08:36:52 AM
But Ant, that supplier doesn't sell the ointment, just the products brought in to replace it.

I emailed the official retailers yesterday, and they said that it is out of stock with no idea if/when any more will come.  It is made by Bayer, but they don't give any clues in their online shop, other than that they don't have any, so I suspect that they have stopped manufacturing it.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 15 May, 2014, 10:10:46 AM
Start looking for some 'meadowsweet' roots and make some yourself. "http://www.intelligentanswers.co.uk/index.php?topic=2465.msg13460#msg13460"

These people seem to have some https://secure.chemistdirect.co.uk

Someone's actually written a poem about it

"The puckering ping of that tin lid
   revealed a halo of pink.
Deliciously medicinal
   it polished up my nostrils
        but now it’s been lost
             in a knee-stinging, coal-fire mist."
http://algonquinstable.net/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=5681
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 15 May, 2014, 03:09:51 PM
As a dedicated Gemoleny since I was about 4 years old, I have been following this thread with waves of nostalgia and rampant deja vu. Nice to know there are legions of fellow Germolenies on I.A.

But I have a little question for you all...that famous Gemolene Pink colour...is it natural?

Is it added? Just a marketing gimmick? Or is it important? What is that Gemolene Pink caused by?


PS and this is a very weird PS....I just found this following strange historical comment on a BBC chat forum at http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/mbarchers/html/NF2693943?thread=8399813 where, among many other riveting Germoleny snippets, someone called Loafboss wrote in on Thursday, 6th December 2012 and said that...

"I remember reading somewhere that the Germolene smell is down to the ingredient Phenol which was at one time used by the Nazis as an extermination drug injected into Concentration Camp inmates. I assume, however, that having been a regular Germolene user since childhood, the quantities involved in the ointment fall well within safety limits."

Has anybody heard of this remarkable claim before? Is it hogwash? Or is it a documented fact? Did the Nazi guards really inject Phenol into the prisoners? What precise effect would have injecting Phenol into concentration camp inmates have had?

How many buckets of Germolene would someone have to ladle on before it reached fatal levels?


And another PS Another poster on the same site writes that Laphroig Whisky smells like Germolene because of the amount of peat in the water...now I don't know about this although I must admit that Laphroig does smell like Germolene. I don't know about you but I still I prefer my whisky to smell like whisky.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Sue Stafford on 05 July, 2014, 02:17:40 PM
I too have always used the pink germolene which has marvellous healing properties. Now can only find watered down version of it. no good at all. Is there anywhere selling the old stuff in the green/yellow box?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Margaret white on 16 July, 2014, 11:33:22 PM
I went to Boots today. 

I was informed that Germolene ointment (pink and blue box with a green stripe) has been discontinued and is no longer made.

It was far better than the white stuff, and the only thing that calms my eczema. 

I cannot find it anywhere online. 





Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 17 July, 2014, 08:34:21 AM
The company that manufactures Germolene is Bayer. They have  an on-line shop where you can order the very stuff you are looking for - here:
http://www.bayer-shop.co.uk/department/germolene/index.cfm?event=shop.shopfront.product.index&productId=362

(http://www.bayer-shop.co.uk/res/shop/product/362/thumbnail/GermOin.jpg)

OOPS! I just bought the last tube!!   whisl  Any offers?  ;)(only joking)

See below the comparison between old and new versions.

From that you will see the missing ingredient is Zinc oxide (6.9% old to 0% new) but the active ingredients are the same. So buy some zinc oxide and mix some up with the new stuff and voila ! Robert est ton oncle!

The old stuff lists 4 active ingredients including zinc oxide see 2nd attachmnt.


WARNING: Some MEDICINES MAY INTERACT with zinc oxide cream. However, no specific interactions with zinc oxide cream are known at this time.

This may not be a complete list of all interactions that may occur. Ask your health care provider if zinc oxide cream may interact with other medicines that you take. Check with your health care provider before you start, stop, or change the dose of any medicine.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 17 July, 2014, 11:59:52 AM
Further - in an earlier post i mentioned meadowsweet - well here's a list of the make up of that plant - compare with the ingredients of germolene.

MEADOWSWEET
"Chemistry
Flavonoids in meadowsweet include the flavonol glycosides rutin, hyperin, and spiraeoside. 4 Spiraeoside has been evaluated in the plant's flowers. 10 Glycoside spiraein (quercitin glycoside and salicylaldehyde primveroside) is present, as are phenolic glycosides including gaultherin. 3 , 8 A phenolic glycoside from meadowsweet flowers has been reported. 11 Quercetin and kaempferol derivatives have also been found in the plant, and hyperoside is present primarily in the leaves and stalks. 4 A report is available on 7 flavonoids isolated from meadowsweet flowers, fruits, leaves, and stalks"
Constituents in meadowsweet include 10% to 20% of hexahydroxydiphenic acid esters of glucose and tannins. "
http://www.drugs.com/npp/meadowsweet.html
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: tuts1946 on 21 July, 2014, 12:35:26 PM
the bayer site says sold out under the picture of germolene ointment
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Jane on 08 August, 2014, 05:29:08 PM
I can't find any anywhere.  This stuff is absolutely the best.  We need to start a campaign or something to get it back on the shelves.  Help!!
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: lizzie on 12 August, 2014, 05:35:41 PM
Apparently -  I have been told by a doctor - it is no longer available because of its ingredients which can be fatal if swallowed - health and safety - i don't know what I will do without it - wish I had known sooner of its demise and stockpiled - price on ebay now £24.99 and Amazon £30.99 - thinking about it!!

 
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 12 August, 2014, 06:07:01 PM
The only active ingredient that is absent  in the new version is octafonium chloride  and I can find no reference to it being a health hazard, nor any of the other ingredients.
BTW: anything is  poisonous if you dont use it properly and ingest large quantities of it.

From NICE "Accidental or Deliberate Ingestion
The product would only be expected to be harmful if orally ingested in very large quantities. This is unlikely due to the unpleasant taste of the product. In such a case the primary concern would be the phenol intake which can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and headache."
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: steven dycer on 04 November, 2014, 04:12:59 PM
hi everbody just to let you know I have 100 tubes of Germolene ointment (yes the pink one)
If you email me I can help you out
04/11/14
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Duffield1 on 04 November, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
Normally, I would not approve such a post, but I think this might be one for our members!  Please can you confirm that it is not only pink, but that it also smells germoleney?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: dididicer on 05 November, 2014, 09:41:26 PM
Am sorry but can't find a little envelope under my username is there somthing I have it done correctly
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Duffield1 on 06 November, 2014, 09:23:21 AM
It is visible to members, but not to guests (so that we don't have lots of spam guests trying to send emails to all our members) - I can assure you that it is there!

If any members want to buy some, they can simply click on the little envelope below dididicer's name on the left hand side to send him an email.  Any non-members will need to register to access this - don't worry, it is free! :-)
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Jem on 11 November, 2014, 08:00:59 AM
I cannot find Germolene ointment - the pink one with the unique, comforting smell - ANYWHERE! I have been told it has been discontinued - why, I do not know.

My 89 year old mum remembers this from her childhood, as do I from mine - and I use it as the BEST anti-septic cream on the market.

Why has it disappeared? I am baffled. Such a shame. Really. :-[
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Duffield1 on 11 November, 2014, 12:03:58 PM
I think you can get some via dididicer above, but you'd have to become a member to be able to email him through the site's email system...
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: crabfoot on 20 November, 2014, 03:15:42 PM
I regret to say that production of the "old" Germolene ointment appears to have been discontinued, and it is no longer available. You can still get the cream.

To provide some coherent answers, I'm (mostly) replying to P Kasso -


As a dedicated Gemoleny since I was about 4 years old, I have been following this thread with waves of nostalgia and rampant deja vu. Nice to know there are legions of fellow Germolenies on I.A.

But I have a little question for you all...that famous Gemolene Pink colour...is it natural?

Is it added? Just a marketing gimmick? Or is it important? What is that Gemolene Pink caused by?

The ancient and historic wisdom - phenol forms an addition product with iron(III) ions which is an intense red colour.

If you put a white phenol ointment in a tin which is made of mild steel, traces of moisture in the ointment will interact with the tin and bring traces of iron into a form which will then slowly migrate through the ointment and interact with the phenol. Over time, the white ointment would become pink, leading to complaints from users.

To counteract such complaints, given that the colour change would have a miniscule effect on the efficacy of the ointment, the makers added a colour to mask the effect way back in the dark ages.

With modern tins, it would be easy to have reformulated "back to white" and produced a stable package, but customer preference and the costs of proving to the medicines authorities that the change made no difference to efficacy would dictate against making the change.  As an educated guess, the costs of reformulation would be about £2m.

You would have to be crazy to pay £2m to remove the colour, simply to have customers complaining that "it isn't the same as it was".   

To explain that high cost - some old but useful products, such as Germolene and Dettol, were allowed to enter the medicines licensing system without going through the stringent processes applied to new products today.  Because the manufacturers do not have data generated to fit the requirements of the licensing system, they would have to generate that data before they could make any changes. Many man-hours expended just to formally document that it does what we know it does.


PS and this is a very weird PS....I just found this following strange historical comment on a BBC chat forum at [SNIP] where, among many other riveting Germoleny snippets, someone called Loafboss wrote in on Thursday, 6th December 2012 and said that...

"I remember reading somewhere that the Germolene smell is down to the ingredient Phenol which was at one time used by the Nazis as an extermination drug injected into Concentration Camp inmates. I assume, however, that having been a regular Germolene user since childhood, the quantities involved in the ointment fall well within safety limits."

Has anybody heard of this remarkable claim before? Is it hogwash? Or is it a documented fact? Did the Nazi guards really inject Phenol into the prisoners? What precise effect would have injecting Phenol into concentration camp inmates have had?

How many buckets of Germolene would someone have to ladle on before it reached fatal levels?

I read something about this as a schoolboy.  There were a lot of books circulating in the 1960s about the nasty things that happened in the camps, which would be "borrowed" from Dad's bookshelf and returned that evening having been scrutinised by a dozen or so lads. Sorry, can't quote a source.

There is an old preparation, Liquified Phenol, that was used as an intermediate by pharmacists  for extempore preparations like gargles and mouthwashes. It is about 80% phenol, the rest is water. I think this is what was injected. Phenol in the blood would be quite toxic. 


Regarding the smell of Germolene - some of the odour is due to the phenol, but mostly it is due to methyl salicylate (oil of wintergreen).

In the blurb I have read about Germolene the local anaesthetic effect is attributed to the phenol, but in my own experience I have found that gluconates also have a numbing effect as well.
Wintergreen was a common ingredient in old preparations, and has some local anaesthetic properties, I imagine that it was originally added as an antiseptic with anaesthetic properties. 

Chlorhexidine digluconate was added at some point, which is a much more useful antiseptic than wintergreen.

Thus the wintergreen is no longer listed as an active ingredient but is still included in the formulation because people would complain if the product didn't smell the same, and it would cost a lot of money (as noted above) to remove it from the formula.

And another PS Another poster on the same site writes that Laphroig Whisky smells like Germolene because of the amount of peat in the water...now I don't know about this although I must admit that Laphroig does smell like Germolene. I don't know about you but I still I prefer my whisky to smell like whisky.

Laphroaig whisky's distinctive phenolic character is due to a traditional process of burning the interior of the barrels in which it is matured. I believe that peat is the fuel used in the burning.  If the flavour was in the water, I think the water supply would have been condemned many years ago.

Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 21 November, 2014, 02:10:13 PM
Crabfoot! What can I say? After a 'mere' 6 months of sitting here at my laptop with bated breath I have to vote your post  is one of the best, most complete and interesting answers I have ever had the pleasure of receiving...and second, a big welcome to you to IntelligentAnswers!

You have answered everything I'd been wondering about...I look forward to seeing the name Crabfoot popping up again and, if the quality of this your first answer is anything to go, you'll soon be a great addition to I.A. Welcome, indeed.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Doug on 23 November, 2014, 11:08:07 AM
why not join with me and email Bayer protesting at there insipid replacement of germolene ointment with the useless gel/cream.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 24 November, 2014, 03:10:29 PM
why not join with me and email Bayer protesting at there insipid replacement of germolene ointment with the useless gel/cream.

I'll do that...I'll run my comments through Google Translate first (if Google Translate accepts strong language!)
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: crabfoot on 25 November, 2014, 08:33:22 PM
I find the cream quite soothing. Perhaps Doug wants his cream pink, but I don't think he should call it useless, unless he's tried it with a microbiological challenge test. He'd probably be better off with Dr Williams' Pink Pills for Pale People. But you can't get those either, nowadays.

I have determined that Germolene cream can kill germs, if you smear it on a hammer head and hit the germs hard enough. There. Science is true, don't be misled by facts.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Spike47 on 27 November, 2014, 10:12:14 AM
It seems that you can get it from Boots with a Prescription , Online or Instore  !! , this attachment is from Boots web site oday 27.11.2014 , I don't know if you could get a prescription form your Docs for it
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 27 November, 2014, 05:50:06 PM
It is very mysterious but Germolene ointment (the original pink stuff) seems to be in a limbo land between prescription only  and non-prescription  availability.Some on-line chemists have one page indicating one state and another one the opposite ( Boots)  Lloyds the same, and Bayer have recently updated their instruction leaflet to include all sorts of warnings and yet state it is available off the shelf.(See att.)

To illustrate the confused situation read this;

 "A few weeks ago I went into a pharmacy in Glasgow to get a tube of Germolene ointment.  There was none on the shelf and the assistant looked puzzled and said that she'd have to get some from the stock.  The pharmacist then intervened to say that there were production problems with the ointment and it wasn't available at the moment.  Disaster.  Finding Germolene ointment became a quest over the next few days.  Life without it is unthinkable.  Various pharmacies just said they must be waiting for it to come in but one said that it was no longer in production because people didn't use ointment any more they preferred creams.  I don't!  Boots said it was still available on prescription.  So every time I saw a pharmacy I popped in and eventually found a few odd tubes left on shelves.  I'm ok for a year or three.

Then I was back on Lewis and in Stornoway the shelf of a local pharmacy was full of the ointment.  Had there been a problem?  Apparently not and on looking up the computer it's still available for ordering." http://galenote.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/this-is-not-advert.html
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: crabfoot on 28 November, 2014, 04:41:19 AM
It seems that you can get it from Boots with a Prescription , Online or Instore  !! , this attachment is from Boots web site oday 27.11.2014 , I don't know if you could get a prescription form your Docs for it

The ointment is a category P product, which means that you can buy it over the counter in a pharmacy, where the pharmacist is able to supervise the sale. You would need a prescription to buy it online because the pharmacist would be unable to oversee the purchase.

Postscript: this is not true - see later posts. Apologies for jumping to a conclusion.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 28 November, 2014, 08:05:41 AM
It seems that you can get it from Boots with a Prescription , Online or Instore  !! , this attachment is from Boots web site oday 27.11.2014 , I don't know if you could get a prescription form your Docs for it

The ointment is a category P product, which means that you can buy it over the counter in a pharmacy, where the pharmacist is able to supervise the sale. You would need a prescription to buy it online because the pharmacist would be unable to oversee the purchase.

Thanks  that clears that up! The remaining question I have is what is the offending ingredient that has lifted this 'folk medicine' to a            'P 'status?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: crabfoot on 28 November, 2014, 08:55:47 PM
It doesn't necessarily have to be restricted for a particular ingredient. The legal sale category is determined by the licence holder in their licence application - the medicines authorities decide if they have selected appropriately, but if the applicant asks for P (pharmacy only) when GSL (general sale, over the counter anywhere) would be appropriate , the product would be still awarded P status - perhaps they would not like the stigma of their product being on a supermarket shelf, or they feel that the product is best sold by a pharmacist.

I don't think it is relevant, anyway, as the product appears to be licensed for the GSL category, and it just looks like Boots are being stroppy about mail order supplies. Ref: http://www.ciplus.co.uk/ezine/files/assets/downloads/page0264.pdf

It would appear I had a brainfart when I thought it was in the P category - I went for the likely explanation without checking. Sorry.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 28 November, 2014, 09:44:02 PM
All is now clear, as regards it's status, GSL, as for it's disappearance from the shelves, which has been the subject of thousands of posts on the internet bemoaning the fact - it must have been a manufacturing glitch (or perhaps a marketing blunder). Or perhaps some entrepreneur
cornered the market (it was selling on eBay at exhorbitant prices).Nuff said.

As an afterthought, I swear by Savlon - you can almost watch the healing effect take place, so Germolene doesnt figure on my shopping list.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: S Gordon on 07 December, 2014, 11:38:36 AM
I think that I will try mixing clean vaseline with germoline cream to see if it behaves like tge ointment ...
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 07 December, 2014, 02:54:26 PM
I think that I will try mixing clean vaseline with germoline cream to see if it behaves like tge ointment ...

Why Vaseline? It was never in the original recipe.

The original pink ointment is available - just ask the pharmacist.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: crabfoot on 07 December, 2014, 11:44:31 PM
Vaseline is white soft paraffin - which is in the ointment formula.  OTOH the ingredient most likely to "help" from the ointment formula is wool fat, AKA lanolin.

It appears, from looking around, that the ingredient which has been discontinued is the TIN. You can get the ointment in tubes at all good pharmacies, and the formulation appears unchanged.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Fiona Hardy on 14 December, 2014, 03:54:22 PM
hi everbody just to let you know I have 100 tubes of Germolene ointment (yes the pink one)
If you email me I can help you out
04/11/14
Yes please, how much and how can I purchase please ?
Fiona Hardy
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 14 December, 2014, 09:32:03 PM
hi everbody just to let you know I have 100 tubes of Germolene ointment (yes the pink one)
If you email me I can help you out
04/11/14
Yes please, how much and how can I purchase please ?
Fiona Hardy

Go to your local pharmacy and ask the pharmacist, maybe not the first one you visit, but try them all.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Theodor100 on 06 January, 2015, 02:20:57 PM
hi everbody just to let you know I have 100 tubes of Germolene ointment (yes the pink one)
If you email me I can help you out
04/11/14
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: georgina on 20 January, 2015, 08:32:42 PM
Hiya,

Hope you are well.

Please can I have some germolene.

How much is it for 10 tubes please and what size are they?

Thanks!!

Where can I get more from??
xXx
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Hemingstone on 24 January, 2015, 08:10:30 PM
I wrote to Bayer in December '14 to ask about the disappearance of the ointment and they replied saying that the active ingredient, Octafonium Chloride, was no longer manufactured and therefore they were unable to make the original product.
If Steven Dyer still has some Germolene ointment available I would be pleased to hear from him with a view to buying some.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Duffield1 on 26 January, 2015, 11:04:31 AM
Without wishing to offer any endorsement, the email address of the user who says he has got tubes of original Germolene (above) is steve.dycer@me.com

He is happy for me to post this so that people can contact him direct (and of course, you do so entirely at your own risk!)
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Rachel on 08 February, 2015, 02:17:57 PM
Presuming that the ointment is gone for good, does anybody have a suggestion for a good alternative type of ointment?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 10 February, 2015, 05:50:02 AM
Presuming that the ointment is gone for good, does anybody have a suggestion for a good alternative type of ointment?

Try Savlon - it ticks all the boxes.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 10 February, 2015, 01:01:17 PM
Blimey! I didn't realise how close to British hearts Germolene has become!

I mean, I just noticed that this thread has already clocked up 58 Replies and, with answer, a staggering 17,247 Views.

Is this a record? Does this make Germolene Intelligent Answer's most answered post of all time?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Hiheels on 10 February, 2015, 02:30:11 PM
Blimey! I didn't realise how close to British hearts Germolene has become!

I mean, I just noticed that this thread has already clocked up 58 Replies and, with answer, a staggering 17,247 Views.

Is this a record? Does this make Germolene Intelligent Answer's most answered post of all time?

Naw, that'll be round three of word association with over 800  :D
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Emma on 14 March, 2015, 01:02:02 PM
I am also gutted that germolene ointment has been discontinued.  I simply can't believe I'm on my last tube.  Most things are fatal if swallowed - that is the most ridiculous reason for not making it anymore.  I can't believe that Amazon are charging in excess of £30 for a tube.  It's all gone mad. 
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 15 March, 2015, 06:57:41 AM
£30 a tube on Amazon? You're right, Emma...people are going mad...they should have stockpiled cupboards full of the pink gold when it was first announced that it was being withdrawn.

Even eating too much chocolate ice-cream will polish you off. Can anyone eat too much chocolate ice-cream? Probably not.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Annie Melba on 18 March, 2015, 11:03:03 PM
I found this string because I tried to buy germolene ointment today and was devastated to learn that it's been discontinued.  Haven't read every comment here, but found contact form on the Bayer website and have sent them a message asking why they've taken it off and if they will make it available again.  Have others done the same?  Maybe if enough of us tell them, they'll reconsider.  The link for the contact form is: https://    healthcare.bayer.com/    scripts/pages/en/    SSL/contact.php
(close up the gaps) ... hope it's OK to post link like that? 
Annie Melba
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 19 March, 2015, 07:38:54 AM
I found this string because I tried to buy germolene ointment today and was devastated to learn that it's been discontinued.  Haven't read every comment here, but found contact form on the Bayer website and have sent them a message asking why they've taken it off and if they will make it available again.  Have others done the same?  Maybe if enough of us tell them, they'll reconsider.  The link for the contact form is: https://    healthcare.bayer.com/    scripts/pages/en/    SSL/contact.php
(close up the gaps) ... hope it's OK to post link like that? 
Annie Melba

A toast to Annie Melba! Thanks for the Germolene Hotline link! I think everyone should now bombard Bayer and bring Germolene back onto the shelves!

PS And yes, it is perfectly OK to post links on here...you don't need the gaps because, with no gaps, it just makes it easier to double click on the link and go straight to giving those heartless bods in the Germolene marketing department a kick in the right direction.

All together now! Hit it!

https://healthcare.bayer.com/scripts/pages/en/SSL/contact.php


Much later...Bad news! I just hit the link and went straight to Bayer and, guess what?

There's a drop down panel of their top 20 products you can get into...but NO Gemolene! Stymied.

What next, comrades?

Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Duffield1 on 19 March, 2015, 01:57:35 PM
PK - guests and new members can't post links (it would make it too easy for spammers to post all kinds of nonsense here!), so Annie, that's a great way of doing it (we can tell you are not some kind of spambot!)
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Annie Melba on 19 March, 2015, 10:56:11 PM
The contact form isn't easy to find on the Bayer website and goes to the US site, not UK ... but I got a reply today from cc-consreldept@   bayer.    iconsumer.us  (close the gaps again) saying : 

Thank you for taking the time to contact Bayer HealthCare LLC, U.S. Consumer Care Division. This Division is responsible for over-the-counter (OTC) products sold in the United States. Your contact was received by our Consumer Relations Department.

While we are not able to assist you directly, we would like to refer you to the appropriate party. I am sure they will be happy to assist you. Please reach them by contacting the following:

Bayer UK Ltd.
Bayer House
Strawberry Hill
GB-Newbury, Berkshire RG14 1JA
United Kingdom
phone: +44 1635 563000
http:/    /    www.    bayer.uk  (still leaving the gaps, just in case, as I'm 'new')

So - there's another link to try (I bet its 'contact us' tab is tucked away in some inconspicuous corner!) - or ... anyone for a sit-in?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 20 March, 2015, 04:05:34 AM
Firstly, thanks Duff...I didn't realise guests were not allowed to post links. Now I know, it seems a very sensible ruling.

And, secondly, thanks Annie Melba... I shall be following up your gappy link...I always find that a little email or fax war with a global conglomerate makes the idle hours whizz by nicely!

Stand by yer beds, Bayer!
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Lizzie Shakespeare on 20 March, 2015, 01:51:49 PM
Hi all
I to have used Germolene ointment PINK for as long as i been on this earth, I called Bayer last year and was told there was an ingredient they could not get anymore so discontinued it yet, after buying a tube of ebay Monday for a 50g tube @ £13.99 this was the last one,  it came today and it is the original (extatic don't come close Joy  lol!) this  is made by Aspen Pharmecare South Africa! Thats as far as i have investigated. 
Amazom have it for £31.99 a 25g tube which i would not pay so hope this helps and it  :'( we don't make the lovely pink stuff anymore...
Shakie
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 20 March, 2015, 04:33:16 PM
Hi all
I to have used Germolene ointment PINK for as long as i been on this earth, I called Bayer last year and was told there was an ingredient they could not get anymore so discontinued it yet, after buying a tube of ebay Monday for a 50g tube @ £13.99 this was the last one,  it came today and it is the original (extatic don't come close Joy  lol!) this  is made by Aspen Pharmecare South Africa! Thats as far as i have investigated. 
Amazom have it for £31.99 a 25g tube which i would not pay so hope this helps and it  :'( we don't make the lovely pink stuff anymore...
Shakie

Thanks Lizzie - this thread must be headed for the record books but what I find incredible is that the Pharmaceutical Global Giant, the inventors of Aspirin, claim that there is a chemical substance the cannot obtain! How implausible is that? There is something very fishy going on if some obscure company in South Africa can manufacture the stuff whilst megabucks Bayer desert all their loyal germolenies!
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: imfeduptoo on 20 March, 2015, 06:28:58 PM
Hi all
I to have used Germolene ointment PINK for as long as i been on this earth, I called Bayer last year and was told there was an ingredient they could not get anymore so discontinued it yet, after buying a tube of ebay Monday for a 50g tube @ £13.99 this was the last one,  it came today and it is the original (extatic don't come close Joy  lol!) this  is made by Aspen Pharmecare South Africa! Thats as far as i have investigated. 
Amazom have it for £31.99 a 25g tube which i would not pay so hope this helps and it  :'( we don't make the lovely pink stuff anymore...
Shakie

Thanks Lizzie - this thread must be headed for the record books but what I find incredible is that the Pharmaceutical Global Giant, the inventors of Aspirin, claim that there is a chemical substance the cannot obtain! How implausible is that? There is something very fishy going on if some obscure company in South Africa can manufacture the stuff whilst megabucks Bayer desert all their loyal germolenies!

It could be that the ingredient is one banned by Reach.

Mr Too has had problems with things that's he has come up with for new applications of chemicals that he thought were freely available only to find they are now banned.

There seems to be no obvious reasons for banning some of them.

http://www.cirs-reach.com/Testing/REACH_Restricted_Substances_List.html

Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: antonymous on 20 March, 2015, 06:50:38 PM

It could be that the ingredient is one banned by Reach.

Mr Too has had problems with things that's he has come up with for new applications of chemicals that he thought were freely available only to find they are now banned.

There seems to be no obvious reasons for banning some of them.

http://www.cirs-reach.com/Testing/REACH_Restricted_Substances_List.html

The original list of ingredients doesnt contain any toxic chemicals and if ever there was a test of the efficacy and harmlessness of a medication better than the millions of us who testify that we grew up being smothered in the stuff without any side effects I cannot conceive it's form! Reach or no Reach.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: cath on 19 April, 2015, 07:10:05 PM
Germolene OINTMENT (pink) is still sold in South Africa and CAN be bought on ebay for approx £13/£14.  Much cheaper than on Amazon.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: lolopopz on 04 May, 2015, 04:49:06 PM
does anyone remember the chewing gum sticks called 'Dentine' that tasted and smelled exactly like germolene?? i lovvvvvvvved that stuff
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Carh Morton on 16 June, 2015, 03:04:02 AM
Germolene (PINK) OINTMENT now on ebay. I've tried it - it's the original recipe.     Wasn't enough demand to continue to produce in UK. Comes all the way from South Africa!! Is anyone still looking for it?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Laura on 31 July, 2015, 02:02:24 PM
Hi There,

Can you help? I am still looking for some - do you know anywhere i can get it?

I have a chronic skin condtion i have used it on for years - and am panic stricken at the thought of running out.
Thanks so much.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: bette on 24 August, 2015, 05:22:42 PM
you used to get Germoline 2 in a metal tube
I thought it had triple ingredients Antiseptic, anasthetic and antihistimine, am I wrong?
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: geedly on 08 October, 2015, 08:15:57 PM
oh no, no!  I have just run out and gone to buy the ointment I have been using for 45 years....and discover all this!  Nothing available anywhere.  Some Aspen tubes sold on ebay in last couple of weeks for £67 and £96 for two!  Anyone found any? 
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Teppsta on 10 October, 2015, 07:19:47 PM
Like many others I have used Germolene ointment all my life as my first aid product of choice. It was my mother's alternative to going to hospital !

I managed to get one final tube from a South African seller but when that goes it will be the end of an era :-(
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Cosafina on 12 January, 2016, 03:28:25 PM
I came here hoping someone would know where to get hold of some as I've been looking for years  BngHd.

So I've just contacted Bayer here in the UK, as suggested by someone earlier.  Here's the link if anyone else wants to add their voice: You need to put an s on the end of the http, it's then triple w followed by bayer and because we're in the UK you need to end it dot co dot uk.   After that it's slash en slash SSL slash contact.php
(sorry, seems I'm not allowed to post an external URL - which seems odd when you consider the number of external URLs that were in the thread)
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Hiheels on 12 January, 2016, 06:12:54 PM
I came here hoping someone would know where to get hold of some as I've been looking for years  BngHd.

So I've just contacted Bayer here in the UK, as suggested by someone earlier.  Here's the link if anyone else wants to add their voice: You need to put an s on the end of the http, it's then triple w followed by bayer and because we're in the UK you need to end it dot co dot uk.   After that it's slash en slash SSL slash contact.php
(sorry, seems I'm not allowed to post an external URL - which seems odd when you consider the number of external URLs that were in the thread)

Thanks for that and going to the trouble of spelling out the link, I'll reproduce it here for ease http://www.bayer.co.uk/en/ssl/contact.php
You only couldn't post a live link due to being new, if you get your post count up you will find you'll be able to then post live links should you want to, it's just an anti-spam measure  :D
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Cosafina on 13 January, 2016, 03:40:12 PM
Thanks Hiheels.

Bayer replied saying
Quote
Unfortunately the decision to discontinue this product was out of our hands as the active ingredient (Octafonium Chloride) in Germolene, is no longer available in pharmaceutical grade quality from any suppliers which would be suitable to continue with the production of Germolene Ointment.

So I contacted the Data Institute and asked them if they knew of any suppliers of Octafonium Chloride.  This was their reply:
Quote
There are about 20 manufacturers of Octafonium Chloride – CAS 15687-40-8 around the world – mainly now in China.

There are 2 in the UK:

Angene International Limited, which calls the substance by its full chemical name (Benzenemethanaminium,N,N-diethyl-N-[2-[4-(2,2,4-trimethylpentyl)phenoxy]ethyl]-, chloride)

Leancare Limited, which refers to the substance simply as CAS 15687-40-8

There are also 4 US producers.

I am not sure why Bayer say that they cannot get pharmaceutical grade CAS 15687-40-8?

Perhaps Bayer cannot source the substance at an economical price?

I have therefore responded to Audrey French at Bayer, asking her for a comment.  I would suggest that as many people as possible bombard them with this information - let's get real Germolene back on the shelves!  Joy__
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Hiheels on 13 January, 2016, 03:48:30 PM
 Gd_pst
...and hats off to Angene International if they do actually call it Benzenemethanaminium,N,N-diethyl-N-[2-[4-(2,2,4-trimethylpentyl)phenoxy]ethyl]-, chloride) 'cos that's more than I can do!
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Ann Ferguson on 06 February, 2016, 09:03:25 AM
Surely any medical cream could be fatal if swallowed!! It's a pity that it can't be had on prescription.  The new Germolene simply doesn't work. Never buying it again.  Hope Bayer have a rethink.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Richard Holladay on 14 February, 2016, 11:44:52 AM
In most retail UK outlets Germolene comes in a tube packaged in a small carton. The contents might have a hint of pink but it's definitely a cream and the smell registers about 25% potency of the Original Smell (my method!).
The Old formula Ointment in the tin described in the postings contained a Deep Pink, Intense smelling Sticky Ointment. Almost universally mothers used this ointment on cuts and particularly frequently grazed knees! If applied to a badly grazed knee in generous quantity and bandaged, when a new dressing was needed one found that all the grit and gravel that had got in to the wound came cleanly away with the removal of the old dressing leaving the wound clean and benefitting from the antiseptic qualities of the ointment - something the modern day version singularly fails to do.
I believe the 1950s 1960s Ointment in a Tin displayed Gold Medals that the company who made it then (or even earlier) had been awarded for the product. Nowadays its in the same Run Of The Mill category as Boots Own, TCP and other small quantity overpriced "Antiseptic" Creams and is but a shadow of its Quality Forerunner.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Hayles on 08 April, 2016, 03:06:48 PM
I bought some Germolene yesterday and really disappointed that they've changed it.  So I've just ordered some of the original pink type which i saw on Amazon uk with free delivery for £2.18 (30g). My mum swears by the stuff!
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: jason soton on 09 April, 2016, 06:35:46 PM
Germolene ointment is still made under licence by Aspen Phamacare in South Africa.
It is sold in 20g and 50g plastic tubes. The original UK metal tubes were 27g as a comparison.
I ordered 10 tubes from and on line store in South Africa (called ZimSeller) at £100 when tax and shipping was included.
20 tubes actually arrived so I have listed 10 on ebay to clear as I don't need so many.
I guess you can order form SA or ebay as there seem to be a fair number of sellers there now.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Gerry on 15 January, 2017, 11:48:40 AM
I possess a metal tube of the pink ointment and a plastic tube of the newer white. I have had the former for many years and still use it on occasion.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: Hiheels on 18 January, 2017, 01:43:35 PM
Mind yerself, Gerry, looks like you're about to have a load of visitors in the night trying to snaffle your pink tube.
So to speak.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: robert taylor on 02 March, 2017, 05:47:23 AM
I am now 91 and I  remember my mother always used Germolene when
I was a small boy.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 04 March, 2017, 05:31:35 PM
I am now 91 and I remember my mother always used Germolene when
I was a small boy.


Your mother must have been one of the very first users of Germolene, Mr Taylor seeing as Germolene was invented in 1925 by the cough mixture tycoon, Sir William Henry Veno.

So that's where Veno's (the famous cough mixture of childhood) comes from! I've often wondered if it was just a made-up laboratory name. Arise Sir William Veno. But fancy being named after a cough mixture! I bet his kids got given a really tough time at school.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: jacquesdor on 06 March, 2017, 10:12:54 AM
I can't believe this topic is still going ! I am enthralled by the information that has been given in answer to my long ago question. Who would have thought it ? Of course, the main success was that I was given the answer that I wanted. IA ers  are unbelievable! Thanks to everyone, it is just fascinating.
Title: Re: What have they done to Germolene?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 08 March, 2017, 08:42:36 AM
I can't believe this topic is still going ! I am enthralled by the information that has been given in answer to my long ago question. Who would have thought it ? Of course, the main success was that I was given the answer that I wanted. IA ers  are unbelievable! Thanks to everyone, it is just fascinating.

And that's not all, Jacques...I used to know an old geezer in Brighton who swore blind that a good blob of Germolene was just the thing for his itchy piles. Worked every time. Mind you, he would've probably said the same thing about a squirt of WD40.

Any other odd uses for Germolene?