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Title: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: imfeduptoo on 04 August, 2013, 05:59:58 PM
When I was at school I was taught that 'sentence', as in a group of words, was spelled with an e but a prison sentance was spelled with an a.
It was a grammar school so I assumed they knew what they were talking about and have always spelled the two words in this way.
However, while searching for an answer to P-K's question, I came across a question posted by someone on the net saying exactly the same thing and asking if the two words were indeed spelled differently.
My dictionary doesn't mention 'sentance', nor can I find it anywhere, but Mr Too was also taught that they were.
Was anyone else taught this?
Was it once true but has now been completely removed from everywhere? 
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 04 August, 2013, 08:51:20 PM
There is no evidence that sentence has ever correctly been spelt otherwise than with the two EEs. Although several people have reported elsewhere that they were under the same impression that it was an A in the dispensing of justice.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 04 August, 2013, 10:22:31 PM
I have never seen 'sentance' spelt other than with an 'E'. Not once, not ever.

So I tried googling 'define sentance' (using the 'A' spelling of sentence) pulls up no responses at all, not one, except for being robo-asked 'Did you mean sentence?'.

Googling 'define sentence' however (using the 'E' spelling of sentence) pulls up a massively different reaction.

About 56,600,000 results (in 0.34 seconds). I think that clinches it and answers your question.

OK, we know that word-wise Google has a near-total American bias, but if Google says 'sentance' doesn't exist then it don't exist.

Your teachers must have been having an off day...or having a laugh and pulling your leg. Or they were barking mad.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Trish Maskell on 28 July, 2014, 03:10:02 PM
When I was at school I was taught that 'sentence', as in a group of words, was spelled with an e but a prison sentance was spelled with an a.
It was a grammar school so I assumed they knew what they were talking about and have always spelled the two words in this way.
However, while searching for an answer to P-K's question, I came across a question posted by someone on the net saying exactly the same thing and asking if the two words were indeed spelled differently.
My dictionary doesn't mention 'sentance', nor can I find it anywhere, but Mr Too was also taught that they were.
Was anyone else taught this?
Was it once true but has now been completely removed from everywhere?

I too was taught that "sentence" had to do with a group of words and that "sentance" was a jail (*gaol) term.  I'm wondering if the writer attended school in England as I did?  The fact that another writer is adamant that there is only one spelling of the word makes me wonder if this is merely another of the many different spellings between our two countries.  No matter what that writer feels, "sentance" is definitely a word!.
*Yes, I was also taught that "gaol" was the preferred spelling for a prison.  We were allowed to use "jail", but we needed to be aware that it might make our teachers cringe. Nowadays, even in the UK, "jail" is most commonly used.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 28 July, 2014, 08:58:33 PM
Hi Trish, well I've dug right through all my big old fat dictionaries...and there's not a peep anywhere about 'sentance' spelt with an 'a'.

I've pirouetted round the Net looking for 'sentance' in all the main etymology sites.

Even my normally trusty American-language spellchecker denies all knowledge of it...and if anyone would spell 'sentence' as 'sentance' it'd be our pals in our ex-colonies across the pond. But nope. No show.

So it seems it's a non-word.

Could it be your teachers were having a laugh or were all as thick as bricks?
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 28 July, 2014, 09:15:01 PM
I have found the word in several places but im sure they are typos.


eg here
 http://www.finedictionary.com/saturnism.html

in fact there are 2 more in that same piece which is corroborative evidence of a lousy speller at work.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 28 July, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
I don't think it really matters how we spell sentance. Grammer orlways was capricious.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 28 July, 2014, 10:17:59 PM
I don't think it really matters how we spell sentance. Grammer orlways was capricious.

Two troo!
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: NellyBelliveau on 02 September, 2014, 01:31:01 AM
Hello, I'm new here. I found this thread through Google, ironically enough. I just wanted to add that I went to grammar school in Iowa (United States) a long time ago and I too was taught that there was a difference between "sentence" and "sentance" (as if our language isn't complex enough!) I was just doing a bit of writing and suddenly found myself having a memory block over which was the correct one to use in my writing. Odd that Google and internet-land doesn't recognize the spelling with an 'a' as real anymore. But that doesn't mean it didn't actually exist, IMHO. Maybe it's just our language adapting over time as it tends to do. Maybe it's a local dialect thing, who knows.

This is a neat website, by the way. I'm glad to have found it, and looking forward to exploring more! Good day, all.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 02 September, 2014, 06:43:04 AM
Hell Nelly. Nice to have a new member. I'll look out for your name and hope you have a long and happy stay!
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Kortner Nygard on 05 September, 2014, 07:18:13 PM
I was educated in California and was taught that jail incurred a sentance, which would be written in a sentence in the judge's ruling.
BTW, in the US we use "spelt" instead of "spelled". Spelt is a grain IMHO.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: alphabet on 29 October, 2014, 09:55:28 PM
im currently in college, and i was taught that in more than one grade, including in highschool. so it cant be some old thing that recently fell out of use.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Chris on 30 October, 2014, 11:30:16 PM
I was also under the impression that "sentance" was a valid alternative under some circumstances. So I just checked our Oxford English Dictionary. A multi-volume monster that lists the history of usage as well as current words. And there was no mention of anything other than "sentence".

So it seems that it is just a misunderstanding, albeit not apparently a rare one.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Chris Sentance on 13 November, 2014, 03:33:03 PM
Except when it is somebody's surname  Facepalm

Show some respect for people whose name is so unusual Microsoft vhanges it all of the bloody time  trhr

Yours frustratedly

Chris Sentance,yes that's Sentance with an A
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Painterman Vic on 29 November, 2014, 03:40:40 PM
Hi. I've just Registered to talk with you guys after Googling sentence/sentance and finding this site.

I'm intrigued as to how many of us were actually TAUGHT in school the difference between "sentence" and "sentance", and then in later years, be informed that the word "sentance" had never existed! Were our educations an International group figment of our imaginations, or were our teachers, as suggested elsewhere, en-masse, not up to their jobs? (if the latter, it begs the question, "Well, who taught them about this non-word?).

I've always thought that the early teaching of English that I received 60 years ago (when I was seven) was pretty good. By this age, I had learnt to compose a letter correctly, and knew, for example, whether to sign off with "Yours Faithfully" or "Yours Sincerely". It was at about the same time that I was taught which of the words in question to use, and when.

The differing spellings and usage of sentence and sentance continued throughout my schooling until I left Grammar School in '62.

Incidentally, for anyone reading this who is wondering, "If he was taught about these words as a kid, why was he Googling them?", the answer's simple. I'm starting to forget stuff - even a few words that I know I could once spell, I now sometimes have to double-check on! (strangely though, I'm still able to spell out loud "antidisestablishmentarianism" which I practiced as a kid (for some unknown reason) in under 4 seconds - although this little exercise is carried out strictly in private!).


PS. My current pet hate is the increasing use of the written "would of" instead of "would have"! What's that about?

 rolls eyes
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 29 November, 2014, 06:28:26 PM
Re would of/would have ................we had a little discussion about this in here many moons ago when one of our contributors used the abomination 'would of' - its just the lazy english and their pronunciation that are the cause of many such calumnies. My pet hate - and it is absolutely rife - is the use of 'goes' in place of 'said' or 'muttered' or 'shouted' or 'whispered'....etc.

As for sentance - I went to a better class of grammar school (1952 - 56) and this aberration was not on the curriculum - so I am puzzled as to how so many lousy english teachers got onto the payroll.

Welcome to IA - stay in touch.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: imfeduptoo on 29 November, 2014, 06:31:16 PM
Hi. I've just Registered to talk with you guys after Googling sentence/sentance and finding this site.

I'm intrigued as to how many of us were actually TAUGHT in school the difference between "sentence" and "sentance", and then in later years, be informed that the word "sentance" had never existed! Were our educations an International group figment of our imaginations, or were our teachers, as suggested elsewhere, en-masse, not up to their jobs? (if the latter, it begs the question, "Well, who taught them about this non-word?).

I've always thought that the early teaching of English that I received 60 years ago (when I was seven) was pretty good. By this age, I had learnt to compose a letter correctly, and knew, for example, whether to sign off with "Yours Faithfully" or "Yours Sincerely". It was at about the same time that I was taught which of the words in question to use, and when.

The differing spellings and usage of sentence and sentance continued throughout my schooling until I left Grammar School in '62.

Incidentally, for anyone reading this who is wondering, "If he was taught about these words as a kid, why was he Googling them?", the answer's simple. I'm starting to forget stuff - even a few words that I know I could once spell, I now sometimes have to double-check on! (strangely though, I'm still able to spell out loud "antidisestablishmentarianism" which I practiced as a kid (for some unknown reason) in under 4 seconds - although this little exercise is carried out strictly in private!).


PS. My current pet hate is the increasing use of the written "would of" instead of "would have"! What's that about?  
 rolls eyes


Oooh! I hate that too.
And people saying less when they mean fewer. I've heard TV/radio presenters and politicians make this mistake.
And people who say 'Myself' when they should say 'Me'.
And people who start sentences with 'And'!
All the people that I know who were taught that sentance is a word went to Grammar School so I find it hard to believe that the teachers were not up to their jobs, We had excellent teachers.

Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 29 November, 2014, 09:38:16 PM
It would appear that sentance was in use in the 17th century when spelling was still a bit anarchic if not archaic;eg Maior for Mayor,accusars for accusers, clerke for clerk, lyes etc etc.:

(http://bks4.books.google.co.uk/books?id=xm-6f3cn0VQC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1&edge=curl&imgtk=AFLRE71VKh6kjyhgEsWHu8lZJqe3MAetfjwoE_rJXmksvLKa2VMXdfEMXYT-nXc1GuZ-SXtOr7QG0x8_1QLl5Fxeo3i_ibncbOo1ory5A4mABvn2jWtz1MaqoeoYELQxSK-BgZ7Cmpl5)

Extract attached.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 02 December, 2014, 01:34:18 PM
Nice answer, Ant. Proofe thatte English doth change all ye tyme. And long may it continue to do so.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 02 December, 2014, 03:55:25 PM
Nice answer, Ant. Proofe thatte English doth change all ye tyme. And long may it continue to do so.

One could say, in modern parlance, that it is a work in progress. :D
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Maximillian on 07 December, 2014, 02:31:06 PM
I too was taught that there is a difference between the two.  It must be a part of the Cambridge dialect, there to distinguish us from the overly well educated plebeians in the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: dan on 07 February, 2015, 05:25:42 AM
Maybe Mr.too just had to have too spellings of the word.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Firkinboo on 28 July, 2015, 11:13:41 AM
Hi there,
I was also taught 'sentence' for words, and 'sentance' for gaol / jail - I agree with the previous posters that the internet seems to be treated as an 'authority' now, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything!
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 28 July, 2015, 01:55:24 PM
I still say that spelling sentence as 'sentance' is orl rong. But who knows where English will evolve to? Just sit tight and enjoy the ride!
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: clinicalthinker on 11 September, 2015, 05:24:02 PM
I also went to school in California from 1945 until 1959. We were also taught sentence (a group of words) sentance (punishment)

So how did I get here and why?
My spellcheck showed my sentance as misspelled.

My why ended me here.

Unfortunate I sent my 60 year old 4 inch thick Websters to the good will about a year ago.
Hopefully someone finds it more useful than I find the internet today ;)
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Hiheels on 11 September, 2015, 05:59:20 PM
I also went to school in California from 1945 until 1959. We were also taught sentence (a group of words) sentance (punishment)

So how did I get here and why?
My spellcheck showed my sentance as misspelled.

My why ended me here.

Unfortunate I sent my 60 year old 4 inch thick Websters to the good will about a year ago.
Hopefully someone finds it more useful than I find the internet today ;)

Excellent! It's nice to know we are the gold at the end of the "why?" rainbow  Joy__
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Ian Gilmour on 17 September, 2015, 05:15:45 AM
I was recently writing a slightly cynical commentry about another repetition in the history of Australian politics:

"At least Clive Palmer and Malcom Turnbull may be responsible for their own sentances."

This only works, as a double-edged Sword of Damacles, if the two meanings of the word are spelt differently, otherwise it's only a spelling mistake, or at best, a homonym, with no apologies to our previous, possibly homæphobic PM.

Like many others, I looked up a few thick paper dictionaries without being able to confirm or deny the existance of the prior spelling.
I don't have my late father's Oxford dictionary; the full version took up more than a metre [c. 39 inches] of bookshelves.  He was an English History teacher, and he would have easily explained the early etymology, such as whether the Middle English spelling involved a dipthong.

I phoned my wife, who was educated at a very well established school in the 1960s, and is regarded as the spelling expert in our immediate family;
she was taught that 'sentance' existed, and did not refer to a grammatical string of words.

My vote is simply to re-instate the old spelling of sentance, to denote a form or term of punishment, usually handed out by a judge or magistrate.
If people can invent new words and have them added to Websters' and Macquarie dictionaries, we should be able to take charge of the language, to ensure greater clarity and to maintain such important distinctions.

BTW, I was informed, also, at a grammar school in the 1960s, that antidisestablishmentarianism was the longest English word; this may no longer be the case.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: imfeduptoo on 17 September, 2015, 04:50:13 PM
I was recently writing a slightly cynical commentry about another repetition in the history of Australian politics:

"At least Clive Palmer and Malcom Turnbull may be responsible for their own sentances."

This only works, as a double-edged Sword of Damacles, if the two meanings of the word are spelt differently, otherwise it's only a spelling mistake, or at best, a homonym, with no apologies to our previous, possibly homæphobic PM.

Like many others, I looked up a few thick paper dictionaries without being able to confirm or deny the existance of the prior spelling.
I don't have my late father's Oxford dictionary; the full version took up more than a metre [c. 39 inches] of bookshelves.  He was an English History teacher, and he would have easily explained the early etymology, such as whether the Middle English spelling involved a dipthong.

I phoned my wife, who was educated at a very well established school in the 1960s, and is regarded as the spelling expert in our immediate family;
she was taught that 'sentance' existed, and did not refer to a grammatical string of words.

My vote is simply to re-instate the old spelling of sentance, to denote a form or term of punishment, usually handed out by a judge or magistrate.
If people can invent new words and have them added to Websters' and Macquarie dictionaries, we should be able to take charge of the language, to ensure greater clarity and to maintain such important distinctions.

BTW, I was informed, also, at a grammar school in the 1960s, that antidisestablishmentarianism was the longest English word; this may no longer be the case.

I'll second that vote!
Re:- Antidisestablishmentarianism - In our first English Language lesson at Grammar school the teacher wrote Anti.....................ism on the board, along with some misspelt words that we were meant to correct.
Needless to say, none of us got that one!
We were also taught never to use the word 'got' but I just did!
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: TorontoGeekGirl on 17 November, 2015, 04:04:42 AM
I was also taught sentance at some point in my life. I was raised/educated in Canada, where were you raised/educated?

I feel like this is one of those regional things.

Maybe?
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: DAVEYO on 23 November, 2015, 06:52:08 PM
A for legal spelling
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 24 November, 2015, 07:05:16 AM
A for legal spelling

It is now an archaic obsolete word.
Archaic words

These words are no longer in everyday use or have lost a particular meaning in current usage but are sometimes used to impart an old-fashioned flavour to historical novels, for example, or in standard conversation or writing just for a humorous effect. Some, such as hotchpotch, reveal the origin of their current meaning, while others reveal the origin of a different modern word, as with gentle, the sense of which is preserved in gentleman. Some, such as learn and let, now mean the opposite of their former use." http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/archaic-words

SENTANCE  does not even make it onto a comprehensive list of such words on that website;

eg;

grimalkin       a cat
gudgeon           a credulous person
gyve                   a fetter or shackle
habiliment   clothing
halt                    lame

BTW:  I live a stone's throw away from the publishers of the commonly acknowledged most complete English dictionary, the Oxford University Press - and for several years played in their lawn bowls team.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 24 November, 2015, 12:00:05 PM
I think Ant raises a very good point that archaic words can and do still have a life in legalistic language but I want to raise a different point.

By chance, I bumped into a guy called Martin Sentance, (with an 'a').

He said that he was forever getting letters mis-spelling his name as Sentence (with an 'e') and it peeved him because Sentance is a true and accurate spelling because, historically, 'Sentance' was a corruption of the spelling of the place name of a village called St Anne's.

Say 'St Anne's' quickly and you'll soon end up with Sentance.

St Anne's was apparently the long-disappeared village where his family originated from in the middle ages, somewhere in Lincolnshire.

He says that even to this day there are still hundreds and possibly thousands of people still called Sentance in that part of the world.

He wouldn't spell it any other way.

Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 24 November, 2015, 07:45:58 PM
Place names and surnames are a totally different kettle of fish. (It was common practice in days of yore for families to be identified by use of the name of the hamlet where they lived.)

It was also common for people to  spell words  in many different ways due to phonetic variations.

Although there is apparently large numbers of people , english teachers included, who cannot spell correctly, but SENTANCE as a grammatical noun is not even considered archaic by the OUP, it just does'nt even  make their comprehensive list of such words.

So I think that must be the final word on this subject - there isnt any higher authority than the Full Oxford dictionary.

St Annes can slumber on, and Martin Sentance should have come to terms with the misspelling of his surname by now.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 25 November, 2015, 07:08:24 AM
Place names and surnames are a totally different kettle of fish. (It was common practice in days of yore for families to be identified by use of the name of the hamlet where they lived.)

It was also common for people to  spell words  in many different ways due to phonetic variations.

Although there is apparently large numbers of people , English teachers included, who cannot spell correctly, but SENTANCE as a grammatical noun is not even considered archaic by the OUP, it just doesn't even  make their comprehensive list of such words.

So I think that must be the final word on this subject - there isn't any higher authority than the Full Oxford dictionary.

St Anne's can slumber on, and Martin Sentance should have come to terms with the misspelling of his surname by now.

Absolutely right, Ant. But into the festering stew-pot of the English language as it developed we must also throw some pretty weird and ever-changing ways of spelling words while English slowly settled down into the language and spelling we consider 'right' today.

People in the past weren't slipshod or lousy spellers, it was just spelling itself that was in flux and varied from region to region and probably from day to day. Nothing was fixed.

Just how easy-going the people were about spelling in the past can be seen by the fact that even the great Shakespeare didn't have a constant or set way of spelling his own name!

Going back to the discussion of the two ways to spell 'sentance' or 'sentence', below are just a  few of the choice ways you could spell the word 'Shakespeare' and still be perfectly 'correct''...

Shakespeare             
Shakespere             
Shakespear             
Shakspeare             
Shackspeare             
Shakspere               
Shackespeare             
Shackspere               
Shackespere             
Shaxspere               
Shexpere                 
Shakspe~                 
Shaxpere                 
Shagspere               
Shaksper               
Shaxpeare               
Shaxper                 
Shake-speare             
Shakespe   
Shakp

These examples I have copied over from a specialist Shakespeare site
which has to be one of the most detailed and most densely information-packed sites I have ever tried to plough my weary way through. But they do know everything there is to know about  spelling as a moveable feast in the past.

I've always argued that our language is still moving on merrily and steadily changing and that is a very good and a very natural thing. Even as we speak, English spelling is changing - especially with the slews of new Internet-inspired words and spellings (such as using the infamous spelling of 'program' for 'programme' etc becoming almost accepted interchangeable spellings.

Anyway, if anyone has a day or three to spend reading the Shaxpere website in its full impenetrable glory, here it is...

http://shakespeareauthorship.com/name1.html
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 25 November, 2015, 08:30:55 AM
 I agree entirely, the variations of spelling were not due simply to ignorance  - (and in terms of the English language / grammar there was quite a lot, and there still is!) but phonetic variations and whimsical attitudes account for most of these archaic/obsolete spellings.

As a footnote; I am an avid Scrabble player, as I believe you know, but some of the valid words that crop up make me cringe, and some times can be very discouraging, I once lost a game, in which I had a comfortable lead as the last letters were being  dished out because my opponent played a 85 point bonus word --  HRYVNIA      trhr       !!

If you dont already know - thats the Ukrainian unit of currency!
 wve
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 26 November, 2015, 08:39:11 AM
I agree entirely, the variations of spelling were not due simply to ignorance  - (and in terms of the English language / grammar there was quite a lot, and there still is!) but phonetic variations and whimsical attitudes account for most of these archaic/obsolete spellings.
As a footnote; I am an avid Scrabble player, as I believe you know, but some of the valid words that crop up make me cringe, and some times can be very discouraging, I once lost a game, in which I had a comfortable lead as the last letters were being  dished out because my opponent played a 85 point bonus word --  HRYVNIA      trhr       !!


If you don't already know - that's the Ukrainian unit of currency!




Ant, what a great word 'Hryvnia' is! Here are a few of my favourite funky weird words you might like to use in annihilating  your opponents at Scrabble. They're all real words but I don't know if they're all in the Chambers or Collins Dictionary (or whatever dictionary they have to be in under competition rules). But feel free to use them....

cabotage – coastal navigation...also the sovereign right of a country to control the air traffic within its border.

firman – A decree or mandate issued by the sovereign in Turkey and a few other Oriental countries.

gabelle – a tax on salt. George Osborne hasn't got round to this one. Yet.

halfpace – a platform of a staircase where the second flight of stairs doubles back on itself in the opposite direction to the lower flight.

impignorate – to pawn or mortgage something.

tittynope – a small quantity of something left over.

ulotrichous – having woolly or crispy hair.


And last but definitely not least....xertz! – to scoff food or gulp something down quickly and greedily.

How many points for a quick xertz?

Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Hilary Stanton on 06 January, 2016, 10:50:47 AM
I recently saw the spelling of 'prison sentence' and had to google the correct spelling as was confused.
Am 60 and attended grammar school in UK.
We were taught the difference between sentence and sentance. I have all my old school books in attic but not able at moment to get up there to find the proof.....
Instead I phoned several old friends of my age group from a variety of schools in various counties and they confirmed the same that they were taught two spellings..

Very Odd Indeed.

Hilary  :D
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: daveyo on 09 January, 2016, 10:04:18 AM
Hi went to Grammar School  northern England ...we were taught two spellings with different meanings .Very surprised or suprised the dictionaries dont give the "a" version
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Jane on 29 January, 2016, 12:45:37 AM
This seems to be a common theme. I'm 53, attended grammar school in Leicester, UK and was taught the two different spellings and definitions. I was doing a Google search after seeing it "misspelt" (just to satisfy myself that I was correct) and wound up here instead.

Were so many of our generation's teachers wrong? Was this a common usage that somehow never made it into the dictionaries and has since died out? Was this a conspiracy to misinform the indigenous children so that spies could be easily identified by their ability to spell "sentence" correctly?  :o (Okay, maybe that was a bit too far!) Would love to get to the root of this. We didn't all imagine it I'm sure.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 30 January, 2016, 12:22:22 PM
While never doubting the people who have posted that they were taught 50 odd years ago in English schools both 'sentence' and 'sentance' I can only say that in my school in London we only ever got 'sentence'. Full stop. No confusion.

But I am totally convinced that also having the word 'sentance' in the English language would enrich the language no end and, as another very important benefit, would confuse and infuriate all those bliddy Johnny Foreigners even more! whisl
Title: Lol
Post by: Glitch on 08 March, 2016, 07:36:35 AM
Well, looks like im going to have to rewrite my entire spelling book... BngHd BngHd BngHd
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: richT on 30 March, 2016, 11:56:59 AM
Are you sure this isn't just the Mandela Effect you are experiencing?
I also remembered there being a difference for the legal 'Sentance'.
;)
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: imfeduptoo on 30 March, 2016, 07:44:48 PM
Well, I've just been browsing the British Newspaper Archives and found these instances where 'sentance' was used.
There were a couple of articles where it was spelled with an 'e'.

At least I know now that my memory hadn't played tricks on me and that at one time 'sentence' and 'sentance' existed.
I can't imagine why now it seems as though it never did.

"PAY OR PRISON “... Al>ril for arrears He was then committed to prison for two months, the sentance suspended on payment £1 a week off the arrears The ... ”

FOR FIRE-SIDE TRAVELLERS “... villagers, men, women, and children, were brought in, and the venerable sheik, his stalwart son, and the boy culprit, were sentanced to ... ”

 PIMXTON MINERS 6£NT TO PRISON- “... PIMXTON MINERS 6£NT TO PRISON- Serious Dereliction of Duty. Heavy sentance«. At All ret on on Wednesday, Pinxtou Coal Co. summoned two ... ”

THE PRISONERS UNDER SENTENCE OF DEATH, The two young men, Joaeph Stonestreet and Joaaph Drink water, who were .. “... awaiting the carrying out of their sentanc*e. The day of execution has been fixed by the sheriffs for Monday, the llthinst. The ... ”

 http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: antonymous on 31 March, 2016, 07:06:22 AM
From the arbiters of the English language :

"sentance is a common misspelling of sentence"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=sentance

So all the previous contributors who went to , one must assume, second rate grammar schools with dodgy english departments should be thankful to those of us who went to the better class establishments for maintaining the standards of spelling in IA. FPlm
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 02 April, 2016, 10:03:47 AM
From the arbiters of the English language :

"sentance is a common misspelling of sentence"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/spellcheck/english/?q=sentance

So all the previous contributors who went to , one must assume, second rate grammar schools with dodgy english departments should be thankful to those of us who went to the better class establishments for maintaining the standards of spelling in IA. FPlm

Well said! Best answer in this debate by some distence.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: TheGreyRabbit on 09 April, 2016, 07:12:49 PM
Well, I didn't go to grammar school, I'm not even over 30 years old, but I too was taught there was a difference between sentence and sentance. I couldn't remember which was which and that's what brought me here, only to discover sentance, apparently, is not even used anymore. I distinctly remember being taught to remember the difference between them in 4th grade, at my Canadian school. This was by the same teacher who made sure we knew the words gaol, tyre, and several other spellings that Canadians simply don't use anymore. So, it's an old spelling, that I should try and scrape off of the old brain banana, or not. As one of my English professors told me in College, "there's nothing wrong with using outdated spellings, I actually like seeing them, just do it either consistently or not at all."
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: P-Kasso2 on 09 April, 2016, 08:28:26 PM
Well, I didn't go to grammar school, I'm not even over 30 years old, but I too was taught there was a difference between sentence and sentance. I couldn't remember which was which and that's what brought me here, only to discover sentance, apparently, is not even used anymore. I distinctly remember being taught to remember the difference between them in 4th grade, at my Canadian school. This was by the same teacher who made sure we knew the words gaol, tyre, and several other spellings that Canadians simply don't use anymore. So, it's an old spelling, that I should try and scrape off of the old brain banana, or not. As one of my English professors told me in College, "there's nothing wrong with using outdated spellings, I actually like seeing them, just do it either consistently or not at all."

That's good advice from what must have been a very good teacher.
Just don't try to do it in England where there are grammar gestapo lurking round every corner waiting to shoot mis-spellers down.

Meself I dont give a dam how peeple spel so long as it komunikates ok.Thats wot langwij is for and the rest is hair splitting twoddle. The olr song was wrong... It aint the way you say it, its wot you say that gets results.
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: ReeseR59 on 04 April, 2018, 10:26:37 PM
All the way through school (50 years ago) I was taught:  "The criminal will be sentanced and the judge will state it in a sentence."

This was on my SAT in 1976, and was considered a fatal error in a college application.

WikiDiff says the word sentence is obsolete.  I'm happy with that.  No more confusion.  This likely happened in an AP Style Book change long ago.  Just as we used to say, "The man PLED guilty," we now say, "The man PLEADED guilty."
Title: Re: Sentence or sentance?
Post by: Duffield1 on 10 April, 2018, 12:32:35 PM
WikiDiff says the word sentence is obsolete.  I'm happy with that.  No more confusion.  This likely happened in an AP Style Book change long ago.  Just as we used to say, "The man PLED guilty," we now say, "The man PLEADED guilty."

WikiDiff says that 'sentence' meaning 'sense, meaning or significance' is obsolete.  Sentence is still both a verb and a noun, and in English.  'Sentance', by contrast, does not seem to exist as a word in any of the online dictionaries I have checked. 

As a law graduate, I also continue to use 'pleaded'...